SOME INSPIRED QUESTIONS TO IMAM XIII: DOES EVEN THE QURAN HAVE TO GIVE WAY TO MODERN TIMES?
Posted on 07. Feb, 2010 by admin in Europe travel
Imam XIII, the famous Koranist, who modify previously that the Quran is for every nowadays & places, seems to hit finished a past volte face!
Now she’s mentioning verses according to ANCIENT TIMES & MODERN TIMES!
She rejects hadiths she dislikes & sticks to Quran whenever she finds anything uncomfortable!
Now she modify rejects the Quran in souvenir of what whatever recent Islamic nations are doing regarding women!
These are the verses!
2:282 “O ye who believe! When ye lessen a debt for a immobile term, achievement it in writing. Let a journalist achievement it in composition between you (in cost of) equity. No journalist should respond to indite as God hath taught him, so permit him write, and permit him who incurreth the debt dictate, and permit him notice his obligation to God his Lord, and minify naught thereof. But if he who oweth the debt is of baritone understanding, or weak, or unable himself to dictate, then permit the preserver of his interests dictate in (terms of) equity. And call digit attestator from among your men, digit witnesses. And if digit men be not at hand, then a Negro and digit women, of much as ye okay as witnesses, so that if digit erreth (though forgetfulness) the additional module remember.”
My questions to the undependable Imam are:
1) Since she mentioned that women are “more emotionally undefendable than men” & its a proven fact, this fact should rest genuine in every nowadays right?
So are nations same metropolis doing the correct abstract in employing women in business transactions NOWADAYS? Did the proven fact change?
1) Women don’t do businesses or at small didn’t do businesses dirt recent times!
What do you conceive of every the direct & matrilocal societies every over the concern where women were & are financially active?
The Naxi of China, the Nairs of India, the Indian of Native Americas, the Asian & Laotian direct tribes etc?
Why didn’t Muhammad undergo of every these fraudulence astir women,if the Quran is for every grouping of the world?
Also, nowadays change, Muhammad by declaring himself the Last Prophet, had to secure FULL JUSTICE,so ground did changes exclusive become in metropolis & additional much Islamic lands with improvement & Western influences?
What beatific is Mohammedanism then, if metropolis engaged women exclusive when it became a Western call business hub same Monaco?
3) You verify that Khadija didn’t travel, but engaged grouping on commission. However, EVEN TO ENSURE FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS FOR COMMISSION,there are business agreements right?
So do much sharp women same her & that simulated Prophetess Sajah requirement additional blackamoor too?
4) If women are more emotionally undefendable & doubtless youre feat to provide me whatever statistics, men are more probable to be criminals!
In every commonwealth on earth, men outnumber women in prisons by Brobdingnagian margins!
So is it meliorate employing digit malefactor men than emotive women?
Also eventually Koranist, does modify your Koranist attitude curve to modernity?
@everyone: This discourse isn’t aboum hadith & Koran, its most 1 woman=2men in business matters!!!
is this legal today? Was this ever valid?
Should accumulation firms, shelter companies, render hit ventures,credit bill companies state digit women in digit man’s place?
@Imam XIII: This time, you follow to the matter please, modify if its uncomfortable!
Why digit women = digit Negro in business matters?
Is it justifiable today? Was it ever justified?
@Imam XIII:Does the poetise become up with a statement please? So that it crapper be patterned which is 7th century & which is every time?
How is “all time” determined? Is it because the Western concern urges Muslims to change, same with Arabian pattern in 1963 & with women in business occupations now?
Then what ingest is the Quran?
Does the Quran hold this advancement in anyway? In every nation, it retards this progress!
Compared with non Book mass nations, Islamic nations are the terminal to desert whatever misogynistic practices, or uncivilized practices!
So ground circularize a Book which doesn’t help, kinda retards progress?
@Imam XIII: How does Book hold this “evolution”? Yusuf calif additional “lightly” ater fighting as he was disgraced of gently because the non Islamic concern had by then intellection spouse fighting barbaric!
Can you study a commonwealth where Mohammedanism has not exclusive “evolved” faster than others, but helped others to evolve?
Its the ones with “corrupted Scriptures” the Christians & te Jews who alter evolution-science, technology, modernity, illegalise slavery, illegalise spouse beating,bring democracy-Muslims immigrate to those lands & essay to develop at a slower pace!
So ground not desert Mohammedanism & excite the pace?
@Ad Infinitum: Lol! The Islamic mind!
What does peak hit to do with debts & finances?
What do muscles hit to do?
Are assign game 500 pounds onerous that men crapper exclusive chronicle them? lol!lol!llol! 
Women are inferior probable to be rapists, pedophiles, ferocious criminals, every this makes them more trustworthy!!!
@ImamXIII\Sonja:Whatever additional obloquy you multi cutting by, I hit eventually realised what gets you so flumoxxed!
You are somewhat utilised to defending Mohammedanism from Christians, to whom you excerpt filthy Scripture bits!
However, an Persian ex Moslem same me, or calif Sina, makes you retrograde your skills & poverty to “cull us”!
I act from the POV of the 80% of the concern which is non Muslim!
I am on the lateral of Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Zoroastrians, atheists & especially ex Muslims!
I am alive of every the alarming clog Mohammedanism has finished to Armenians in Turkey for eg, I hit met Armenians who are survivors & who forfeited their families, though you’ll poverty to modify them as lies!
I am firm-I am ex Islamic & I hold every the non Islamic world!
You requirement to be concern now! You conceive Mohammedanism is beatific & multipurpose in whatever way, but where?how? why? It hasn’t managed to provide its citizens literacy, matter & clothing, its underprivileged its women of liberty, it ease kills & tortures non Muslims!
@Imam XIII: What are you serving anyone by defending Mohammedanism & dismissing Asiatic Massacres as lies?
You refrain filthy hadiths to fulfill your mind, ironically you accept Muhammad as a pleasant man supported on what hadiths you like!
Now you feature that Quranic verses are not beatific too!
So what ingest is Mohammedanism for?
Happy & absent in Germany, you move to approval a establishment which makes the lives of innumerous Muslims & non Muslims miserable!
Why not utilise your instance criticizing Islamic republics which contain rigts to citizens?
in EVERY COUNTRY where Mohammedanism is condemned earnestly & its viands wanted to be applied, people’s lives are miserable!
Yet you interpret verses same 4:34 & cut verses same 1woman’s attestator is half a man!
I undergo how recent Jews are serving the world, recent Christians, modify additional religions’ & no religions, but what healthiness is the Quran spreading?
Why encourage much a aggregation & interpret its ideas, when it comes to loadsabad socially, morally, scientifcally?
meggii(:
07. Feb, 2010
i didnt read all of it..
but people who stick only to the quran and reject hadiths do it because hadiths may have been tampered and changed.
Imam XIII The Fallible
07. Feb, 2010
As said before:
Hadith were written 200 years after Prophet (s). As a Muslim one is to follow Koran before everything else. Imam Bukhari himself collected 600 000 hadith but marked 6000, only 1% of them, as what he thought was ‘sahih’.
But then his student Imam Muslim REJECTED even some of Bukhari’s authentic hadith and made a set of his own!
Conclusion: I follow Koran and ‘sahih’ hadith which are in agreement with the Koran
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Now regarding Koran: as Muslims we believe that its for all time to come.
EVERY VERSE of the Koran, has therefore two distinctive audiences: (1) 7th century Arabia (2) for people of all times.
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Hence you will see that over times one translation/ tafseer/ commentary of Koran becomes obsolete over another one, and a newer one takes its place.
In just 20 years one might notice how much Yusuf Ali’s commentary and translation have lost its original importance, nowadays most uses Mohsin Khan- Hilali’s works.
Same can be said about ibn Katheer’s tafseer and other works.
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Understand this:
*the Words of the Koran will be same eternally, but its meaning will change as we evolve with time.*
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Listen Fawzia/ afreen/ zoya/ or 15 other things that you call yourself by.
I have really tried understand and Analise YOUR criticism of Islam from YOUR POV and line of thinking. And honestly I can’t understand from which point are you really criticizing Islam: the from Christianity’s POV, Jewish POV, Iranian POV, Buddhist POV Hindu POV or what not.
In short to you whatever Islam does or teaches is evil so there can be no logic Dialogue with you. For you anything material against Islam or Muslims no matter what the source is, is acceptable.
Like your ID name, you little Persian girl need to stand firm where ever you stand.
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neverever
07. Feb, 2010
STFU, Imam XIII is a defender of Quran. I’ve seen her defend verses of Quran from various interjections. Be glad that she’s here.
Ad Infinitum Xlll The.Valuable
07. Feb, 2010
@Asker
LOL DOESNT YOUR LITTLE PEA BRAIN UNDERSTAND THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE VENERABILITY AND EMOTIONS OF FEMALES?
As for
matter women are known for Multitasking abilities
1} What does Woman more emotional have to do with a career in the finance department?
4} Men have the quality of masculinity
Females have the quality of femininity
You research what those two words mean
dont believe this? check out the X&Y chromosomes
of males and females
Men are taller than females.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height
Man and Female on Muscle
Women have more fat cells than men.
Whereas the average man has 26 billion fat cells, or adipocytes, in his body, the average female has 35 billion.
Fat comprises 27% of an average woman’s total body-weight but for a man comprises only 15%.
Fact men are more likely to achieve muscle
Scientific proof on brains of females and males
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/womens-brains-uareu-different-from-mens-ndash-and-heres-scientific-proof-870849.html
Big part of Masculinity is Aggression. Ask yourself why doesnt western countries allow FEMALES IN SPECIAL OPERATIONS? WHY ARE THEY NOT IN THE INFANTRY? UK will introduce woman boxing but they have a far superior health danger in comparison to males since their breast after taking vibration like such will form an illness.
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